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DATE OF UPLOAD: December 30, 1989
ORIGIN OF UPLOAD: ParaNet Information Service
CONTRIBUTED BY: Robert B. Klinn - ParaNet Director of
Investigations and Research
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On the Record, KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada, 12/9/89, 7:00 p.m.-
7:30 p.m.
George Knapp, producer/host
Robert Lazar, guest
George Knapp:
Hello, and welcome to On the Record.
One month ago, we began a series of reports about UFOs. With the
exception of a few cranky newspaper people, the response has been
overwhelmingly positive. We've had requests for more information
from all over the country and from all over the world. Tonight
we're going to delve a little deeper into the subject with the
man who was the impetus for our report in the first place, Bob
Lazar.
Bob, good to have you here. A thumbnail sketch of yourself for
those who might not be familiar with your background.
Robert Lazar:
I worked at Los Alamos National Lab.
Knapp:
As a physicist?
Lazar:
As a physicist, and hired as a senior staff physicist at Area S-
4, for what I was told anyway was the United States Navy.
Knapp:
Where is S-4?
Lazar:
It's about 10 to 15 miles south of Groom Lake, about 125 miles
north of Las Vegas.
Knapp:
How did you get the job?
Lazar:
I really don't want to mention the guy who I got it through. But
I was referred to a person at EG&G to drop off my resume to;
that's where I was interviewed; though the job is COMPLETELY
unrelated to EG&G.
Knapp:
What did they tell you you were going to be doing? Or DID they
tell you?
Lazar:
No, they really didn't tell me until the very end. They said a
high-technology job, something that I'd be very interested in.
Knapp:
Okay, so you get hired. And what happens? Do you fly up there?
Lazar:
Fly up there. First day was reading briefings and that sort of
thing. And it became evident to me pretty quickly the level of
technology they were dealing with: gravitational propulsion and
things that science has really only barely touched on.
Knapp:
We'll get into the things that you saw in a couple of minutes.
But it's been about a little more than three weeks since your
identity was made public. We had you on another program a couple
of months ago -- using an assumed name and having you in
silhouette -- but since your identity has been made public and
since this information has been made public, what's it been like?
What's been the response from people that see you on the street?
Lazar:
The response has been almost all favorable. In fact, everyone
that I've run into has been very supportive, very interested. I
guess there's just two or three letters --
Knapp:
-- from people that don't believe you?
Lazar:
Yeah. Essentially.
Knapp:
Responses from other media outlets as well?
Lazar:
Yeah.
Knapp:
They want to interview you? What do they want?
Lazar:
Essentially everything, yes. Radio interviews, TV interviews. A
lot of people want to dig back into my background and re-trace
everything.
Knapp:
Many of the people who have been calling -- calling us as well --
were under the impression that either you've gone underground or
you've been silenced or we've been silenced by dark and sinister
forces. Anything like that happen to you so far?
Lazar:
That's ridiculous. People are always going over the deep end on
that. And no one's told me -- other than originally -- not to
say anything. And I'm sure no one's come forward to you.
Knapp:
But in the beginning, they told you to keep quiet about this.
Lazar:
Oh yeah! It's the most secret program in the United States.
Knapp:
In what way did they try to make sure you kept your mouth shut?
Lazar:
Everything up to death threats. I mean CONSTANT reminders of it,
signing away my constututional rights for fair trial and that
sort of thing.
Knapp:
And since this thing, your phone's been tapped, you believe?
Lazar:
Yeah, I believe. I have a tap detector, and occasionally after I
pick up the phone, a little red light goes on.
Knapp:
The reason you came forward with the information to begin with?
Is it related to the fact that they were bothering you?
Lazar:
Yeah, it was essentially to stop that. What had happened was, I
sent in a request for my birth certificate, and as it turned out
it wasn't there anymore, that I wasn't born at the hospital! And
that kind of got me wondering what's going on. I put in a
request for some other information, previous jobs, and that was
also gone, and I thought something had to be done before I
disappeared.
Knapp:
The same thing -- it was Los Alamos? They've never heard of you?
Lazar:
Yeah.
Knapp:
Anything happened since the reports have aired?
Lazar:
They let me know that they were around by doing stupid, childish
little things. But nothing serious, no.
Knapp:
You were worried about your LIFE though for a while there,
weren't you?
Lazar:
That was one of the reasons to come on and let everything out on
the air; it's a little of insurance.
Knapp:
Are you worried any more? Do you get the feeling you're over the
hump?
Lazar:
To some degree, yeah.
Knapp:
Do you find that most people really believe you or that they just
want more information?
Lazar:
I think alot of people believe what I said, but the majority I
think do just want more information, too. It's an in-depth
subject.
Knapp:
Let's look at some of the technology you saw. When did you first
get the idea, what's the first thing you saw that made you
convinced that it's not from here?
Lazar:
The first thing was HANDS-on experience with the anti-matter
reactor.
Knapp:
Explain what that is and how it works and what it does.
Lazar:
It's a plate about 18 inches in diameter with a sphere on top.
Knapp:
We have a tape of a model that a friend of yours made. You can
narrate along. There it is.
Lazar:
Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in
there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top.
And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don't
know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it . . .
115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little
wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons
off the gravity wave, and that's later amplified in the lower
portion of the craft.
But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp:
Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks
really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Lazar:
Right.
Knapp:
Working parts?
Lazar:
None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back-
engineer everthing, where you have a finished product and to step
backwards and find out how it was made or how it could be made
with earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp:
How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar:
It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp:
What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it
do?
Lazar:
It converts anti-matter . . .
It DOESN'T convert anti-matter! There's an annihilation
reaction. It's an ext